Republican Congressional candidate Ron McNeiltold the school children about Islam “That religion is against everything America stands for. The freedom and liberty and if you girls who are out here were Muslims today you don’t have the rights that you have as American citizens and Christians. You’ve got a separate religion and it’s plan is to destroy our way of life and our lives then you’ve got to think differently about it.”
Florida: Congressional candidate Ron McNeil tells children that Islam is "against everything America stands for" (Photo: Ron McNeil for Congress Web Site)
Remarking on the planned 51 Park Place Islamic Center, Ron McNeil also sought to have Christians “walk” on the planned Islamic center, stating “I’m totally against it. If I had my way it’d be pretty much over my dead body to build a mosque there. The Muslims will have that place to gloat about for years if they get their way and it was the Muslim religion that caused the problems we had on 911. It was extremist. It probably didn’t represent their exact religion but the very fact they want to build something right there in the shadows of ground zero is ridiculous.” (Actually, it is two NYC blocks away on Park Place.)
Others have condemned his views asking him “when was the last time you actually read the Bill of Rights?” And another stated “I’m a Republican, but I will never vote for a man that tells teenagers a mosque should be… built nine stories under the ground so citizens and Christians can walk above it. I am a Christian and a Republican and I still find his speech choice of words disgusting for a man running for public office.
No other candidates at the Candidate forum had any remarks on the subject.
However, one of the children in attendance spoke up to challenge Congressional candidate Ron McNeil’s views.
Student Doug Reed challenged Ron McNeil’s comments, publicly asking McNeil “What gives you the right or the federal government the right to tell Americans that they cannot build a institution or building in a certain place?”
When McNeil replied “That religion is against everything America stands for.” Doug Reed asked a different question “Where is it our place to tell them that they’re wrong and that their religion is bad. It’s not our place as Christians, I believe.”
Florida Student Doug Reed Challenges Anti-Islam Congressional Candidate Asking What Gives Anyone The Right to Deny Freedoms or Say Someone Else's Religion is Wrong (Screenshot WJHG Video)
Congressional candidate Ron McNeil replied “It’s our place as Christians to stand up for the word of God and what the bible says.”
The Northwest Florida News also reported the comments of Bay County Islamic Society spokesperson, Hashem Mubarak, where he told the news that “If we’re going to say hateful statements, inflammatory statements for political reasons, this is wrong and this is actually against the American values. Christianity actually is for love and understanding and he does not apparently represent that with what he said. I really demand that Mr. McNeil make an apology of what he said or we would be happy to discuss with him and have a dialogue and maybe educate him.”
At another one of the 9/11 attack sites, the Pentagon in Washington DC, a daily Islamic prayer service has been held in November 2002 by the Office of the Pentagon Chaplain, whose mission is “meeting the spiritual needs of the Pentagon.” Neither of the Pentagon chaplains are Muslim, and according to the AP, the Friday Muslim worship service at the Pentagon is ” run by an imam from a local mosque.”
Mission of Office of Pentagon Chapel (Photo: Pentagon Web Site)
At the Pentagon Interfaith Chapel, it has a stain glass window, inscribed “United in Memory,” designed by a veteran. But the memory of 9/11 is intended to be unifying for the armed forces of all religions, races, and identity groups, rather than a source of division.
Pentagon Chapel Near 9/11 Attack: "United in Memory" as All Religions Worship Together (Photo: Pentagon Web Site)
AP reports: “Muslims pray daily at Pentagon’s 9/11 crash site.” In the AP report, it states that: “Americans are debating bitterly the proposed building of a mosque near New York’s ground zero, but for years Muslims have prayed quietly at the Pentagon only 80 feet from where another hijacked jetliner struck. Pentagon officials say that no one in the military or the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has ever protested. They describe the 100-seat chapel as a peaceful place where some 300 to 400 Pentagon employees come to pray each week. The chapel hosts separate weekly worship services for Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Protestants, Catholics and Episcopalians.”
The goal of the Pentagon chaplain office, which runs the chapel, is to ‘provide assistance and support for the religious, spiritual and morale needs of all service members and employees,’ said Army spokesman George Wright. In 2001, hijacked American Airlines flight 77 flew into the west side of the Pentagon, plowing through three of the building’s five office ‘rings’ and killing 184 people. As part of its massive renovation and to honor victims in the attack, the Pentagon opened the chapel in November 2002.”
“The chapel includes no religious symbols, except Catholic holy water at the door; religious accouterments are brought in for various worship services. Wright said that Muslim employees can gather for a daily prayer service Monday through Thursday, and attend a Friday worship service run by an imam from a local mosque. Two in-house Army chaplains run the chapel, neither of which are Muslim. Col. Daniel Minjares is associated with the Church of the Nazarene; his deputy, Lt. Col. Ken Williams, is Southern Baptist. Wright said the chaplains provide religious services for their denomination, but can provide services such as grief and marital counseling to employees of any faith.”
IPS reports on the inability of Palestinians to pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque, during Ramadan.
IPS reports: “Normally Mohammad works a full eight-hour day. These days during the fast his Arab Israeli contractor gives his fellow Palestinians special dispensation; the workday is cut short at 2.30 pm. Ramadan is a time of worship, of self-reflection, of contemplation. Afterward, he’ll cross back into the West Bank through the Israeli checkpoint, the minibus will stop to allow Mohammad and his fellow workers time for the afternoon prayer. On Friday when they don’t work, they wish they could travel to Jerusalem 35 kilometers away to pray — especially now during Ramadan — at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Islam’s third holiest site.”
“For that, they can only pray. For Palestinians from outside Jerusalem to be allowed to pray at the Noble Sanctuary requires another Israeli permit. On Friday, there will be tens of thousands in Al-Aqsa — those who have managed to secure the sought-after permit. However, says Mohammad: ‘you have to be at least 50, and also to have a regular permit allowing you into Jerusalem. It’s hopeless. I don’t even bother trying.'”
In Green Bay, Wisconsin, the Green Bay City Council met on the evening of August 17, 2010 to approve a decision made July 2010 by the Green Bay planning commission to allow a zoning request that would allow a mosque to be built in Green Bay for the Islamic Society of Green Bay. The Islamic Society has been worshiping in temporary facilities since 2005, and says says that it has run out of space at its current location. WLUK-TV also reported that the new mosque would be associated with the Islamic Society of Wisconsin, with the application listed for the “Church of Islam.”
Green Bay's Arasumus Autry Seeks New Mosque to Replace Outgrown Facility (Photo: WFRV Video Screen Shot)
Green Bay City Council Alderman Voting Against Zoning for Mosque: Guy Zima, Steven Deneys, and Andy Nicholson (left to right) (Photo: Green Bay City Council web site)
The zoning request was to allow the Islamic Society of Green Bay to use a commercial building on Velp Avenue, which had once been a bait and tackle shop, but had been closed and shuttered for the past 5 years. Some city council members also sought to consider the financial implications of loss of commercial tax dollars by allowing the mosque to built in the abandoned facility, which is across the street from a cemetery.
Green Bay: Abandoned Building to Be Purchased to Support New Mosque (Photo: WFRV Video Screen Shot)
The decision to approve the Green Bay planning commission zone recommendation to allow the building of the mosque came after public debate by speakers and by members of the City Council on the zoning request, as well as on Islam.
WFRV News provided a video report on the City Council hearing, where some debated issues about Islam when considering the zoning application for the mosque. WFRV News described the meeting as “at times a tense discussion. Most [City Council] alderman felt that religion had no place in the debate.”
Mosque protester Doug Cayer said about the planned mosque in Green Bay “It disturbs me highly. I don’t understand a lot of the religion, but what I read about and hear about is so against what I stand for – I’m just dead set against this. I have a problem with radical Islam and its connotations in my neighborhood.” The Green Bay Press-Gazette also reported that “Doug Cayer, who said he lives nearby, said he was concerned about Islamic followers turning radical and potentially disrupting the neighborhood.” The Press-Gazette said that Cayer told the City Council: “I don’t want something scary coming to my neighborhood.”
Green Bay Resident Doug Cayer Stated He Didn't Know Much About Islam, But Found It Scary (Photo: WFRV Video Screenshot)
Green Bay City Council Alderman Guy Zima, on the Green Bay Council since 1976, had indicated that he had concerns about sound disturbing others. (The abandoned building is near a cemetery.) WLUK-TV reported that “Guy Zima requested the item be sent back to committee to see if a noise stipulation could be added.”
Green Bay City Council Alderman Guy Zima then stated that concerns involved Islam. WLUK-TV reported that Guy Zima stated: “Everybody’s been hopping on the equality bandwagon, which has been part and parcel of the United States of America since its foundation. But this religion at its depths, I don’t think really has the same interest as the American way of life or its values.”
Green Bay City Council Alderman Guy Zima Opposed Zoning for Mosque Because "Islam has a history of intolerance" (Photo: WFRV Video Screenshot)
The Green Bay Press-Gazette reported on Mr. Zima’s comments: “Alderman Guy Zima raised several issues with the mosque proposal, including his belief that some followers of Islam are intolerant toward other religions. ‘It has been very divisive in other communities,’ Zima said.” WLUK-TV News quoted Guy Zima as stating that Islam “has a history of intolerance.”
At the August 17, 2010 Green Bay City Council hearing, Green Bay City Council Alderman Brian Danzinger condemned comments made by other elected officials on Islam, stating “we are coming dangerously close to comments that are circulating stereotypes, and again propagating the perceptions that really doesn’t exist.”
Green Bay City Council Alderman Brian Danzinger Rejected Comments on Religious Stereotype (Photo: WFRV Video Screenshot)
The Green Bay Press-Gazette reported that City Council Alderman Ned Dorff said that such decisions cannot be made based on religion or fear: “Alderman Ned Dorff, who represents the area, said the city should view the issue strictly as a land-use matter and should not attempt to legislate any particular religious denomination, ‘It’s not a decision we can make based on religion or based on fear,’ Dorff said.”
Green Bay Council Alderman Ned Dorff Says "It's not a decision we can make based on religion or based on fear" (Photo: Facebook)
The Islamic Society of Green Bay told WFRV News “they do not tolerate extremists saying it is against their beliefs.”
The Green Bay Press-Gazette reports that a group called the Church of Islam seeks Green Bay city zoning approval to build a mosque “in the shuttered Bob’s Bait and Tackle shop, 1512 Velp Ave.” The Green Bay Press-Gazette reports that a Green Bay city District 7 City Council Alderman Ned Dorff, representing the west side area of Green Bay “questioned whether many nearby residents and business owners are aware of the proposed development” and might “ask for a postponement on council action to allow for more public debate.” Green Bay alderman Ned Dorff told the Press-Gazette that because he has not heard from any constituents on the zoning request,”We need to talk about this more publicly.” Ned Dorff was endorsed by the Green Bay Press-Gazette in his 2010 campaign to win a seat on the Green Bay City Council.
On Ned Dorff’s Facebook page, he asks “Proposal to rezone commercial land for religious use on Velp is coming to council tomorrow night. Good idea? Bad idea? Sound off here or come to council 7 PM 2nd floor city hall.”
Green Bay Council Alderman Ned Dorff Says Postponement of Mosque Zoning Hearing Needed For More Public Debate (Photo: Facebook)
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Update:
Ned Dorff sent the following statement to R.E.A.L. on his position:
“To give you some background on a few points in your article: The reporter asked me if I’d heard public feedback about a commercial area being rezoned for non-taxable religious use. I said I hadn’t and that it’s a sign that word didn’t get out. My only concern is taking a property off the tax rolls that we just (July 20) voted on to zone as commercial in an area we are trying to redevelop as a business district might go against the overall plan for the corridor. (Those concerns have since been assuaged).”
“I consider myself a progressive person and I am proud to represent the most progressive voting district in the city of Green Bay, which traditionally hasn’t voted based on race, gender, or creed.”
“Please issue a correction to your article that my only concern was about taking a commercial parcel off the tax rolls. That concern has since been addressed by very capable staff in our planning and economic development departments. The Press-Gazette shaped their story the way they wanted. You can also feel free to include the other statement I wrote on Facebook about how council should treat this as a zoning issue, not a religious debate. Please contact the others who have picked up your story. I might have been painted as a xenophobic enemy by a quote taken out of context, but nothing could be further from the truth.”
“I do not look forward to the day where city government meddles with the First Amendment to favor one group over another. I will _not_ delay or vote down the proposal based on anti-Islamic sentiment. That would be an ugly, irresponsible thing to do.”
Ned Dorff also states on his Facebook page: “This debate has unfortunately turned into one over religion. Really, as a council, we should have no say over legal religious activity, as per the 1st Amendment. To do so in Green Bay would set a very dangerous, probably illegal, precedent. What we are looking at is the zoning of the area and the best way to redevelop Velp. How do we zone properly to provide neighborhood services, encourage business and keep the street in good condition?”
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The Press-Gazette stated that the Green Bay planning commission had already unanimously voted last month to support to zoning change to allow the former bait and tackle shop to be converted into a mosque, and stated that the decision had to be ratified by the Green Bay City Council to allow the mosque to be built.
Anti-Mosque Protester Comment on Green Bay Press-Gazette Web Site (Screen Shot) Anti-Mosque Protester Comment on Green Bay Press-Gazette Web Site (Screen Shot) Anti-Mosque Protester Comment on Green Bay Press-Gazette Web Site (Screen Shot)
Wilson, Wisconsin Mosque Protest: A member of the audience expresses her views Monday night while a speaker addresses the Town of Wilson Town Board on whether to grant a conditional use permit for a mosque in the town. Photo by Gary C. Klein/The Sheboygan Press (The Sheboygan Press)
“In passing this law, Congress found that the right to assemble for worship is at the very core of the free exercise of religion. Religious assemblies cannot function without a physical space adequate to their needs and consistent with their theological requirements. The right to build, buy, or rent such a space is an indispensable adjunct of the core First Amendment right to assemble for religious purposes. Religious assemblies, especially, new, small, or unfamiliar ones, may be illegally discriminated against on the face of zoning codes and also in the highly individualized and discretionary processes of land use regulation. Zoning codes and landmarking laws may illegally exclude religious assemblies in places where they permit theaters, meeting halls, and other places where large groups of people assemble for secular purposes. Or the zoning codes or landmarking laws may permit religious assemblies only with individualized permission from the zoning board or landmarking commission, and zoning boards or landmarking commission may use that authority in illegally discriminatory ways.”
“To address these concerns, RLUIPA prohibits zoning and landmarking laws that substantially burden the religious exercise of churches or other religious assemblies or institutions absent the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling governmental interest. This prohibition applies in any situation where: (i) the state or local government entity imposing the substantial burden receives federal funding; (ii) the substantial burden affects, or removal of the substantial burden would affect, interstate commerce; or (iii) the substantial burden arises from the state or local government’s formal or informal procedures for making individualized assessments of a property’s uses.”
“In addition, RLUIPA prohibits zoning and landmarking laws that: (1) treat churches or other religious assemblies or institutions on less than equal terms with nonreligious institutions; (2) discriminate against any assemblies or institutions on the basis of religion or religious denomination; (3) totally exclude religious assemblies from a jurisdiction; or (4) unreasonably limit religious assemblies, institutions, or structures within a jurisdiction.”
“The Department of Justice can investigate alleged RLUIPA violations and bring a lawsuit to enforce the statute. The Department can obtain injunctive, but not monetary, relief. Individuals, houses of worship, and other religious institutions can also bring a lawsuit in federal or state court to enforce RLUIPA.”
Tea Party Patriots Web Page: NYC Tea Party Activist "Jerry" Promotes Park Place Islamic Center Protest (image: TeaPartyPatriots.org web screen shot)Park 51 NYC Islamic Center Logo
Kentucky: Plot Where Planned for Florence, Kentucky Mosque (Photo: Fox 19 News)
On July 25, 2010, the North Kentucky Enquirer reported that that “Boone County Assistant Zoning Administrator Mitch Light said there has been no such public response to this plan. ‘We have not heard from anyone opposed to the project,’ Light said.”
Kentucky: Florence Mosque Illustration (Image: Islamic Center of Northern Kentucky)
Apparently this has now changed. According to the August 16, 2010 Kentucky Courier-Journal, the mosque proposal is now receiving “a strong reaction from some in the community,” including calls to Forence city officials, a flier being distributed in Florence neighborhoods.
FOX 19 News reports in its story “Neighborhood flyer rejects mosque”: “A flyer left on doors and mailboxes in a Florence neighborhood is stirring up more attention around a mosque being built nearby. Neighbors we spoke with had mixed feelings about the mosque, but everyone had the same concern, who is circulating the flyer and why didn’t that person/group want to be identified.”
According to the Courier-Journal, the anti-mosque flier states: “Cayton Road is in your neighborhood… Everyone needs to contact Florence City Council to have this stopped. Americans need to stop the takeover of our country.” FOX 19 News has images of the flier including its statement urging protesters to “Do your part to stop the take-over of our country of our country. Use your voice to speak out. If anti-American people do not like the way we are, they are free to leave. We are the United States of America, not an Islamic nation.” The fliers were anonymous, but appears to have the same image as an individual’s Facebook page photo background graphic, with a web site protesting the mosque.
Kentucky: Anti-Mosque Flier Being Circulated (Photo: Fox 19 News)Kentucky: Anti-Mosque Flier Being Circulated (Photo: Fox 19 News)
The Courier-Journal quotes Joshua Wice, community/business development director for the city of Florence who states that he is not surprised that people have questions, but all of the questions are being answered to people’s satisfaction.
The Courier-Journal also states: “”Much of the criticism has focused on city or county officials for allowing the project to go forward or not holding public hearings, but undue scrutiny or unwarranted efforts to impede the project might well have violated federal laws. The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act is often described as federal zoning for religious uses.”
Kentucy Mosque Protester "The Vigilante" Mark Hallenberg (Photo: Facebook)
The Kentucky anti-Islam, anti-Mosque website called “The Vigilante” describes “Enemy One” as “Islam.” The anti-mosque website is led by a Christian, Mark Hallenberg, in Kentucky who views the anti-mosque campaign as part of promoting “Christian values” and attacking a “Marxist-Socialistic agenda.”
In his protest against the planned mosque and “Northern Kentucky Rising,” Mark Hallenberg claims that he contacted two dozen Boone County residents about the planned Florence, Kentucky mosque, with 50 percent opposing it (according to him). Mr. Hallenberg also calls for an investigation into the funding of the mosque and into Mercy Foundation. He also repeats claims from others that “Islam declared war on the United States.”
Kentucky Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) Supporter Mark Hallenberg Started Recruiting Anti-Islam, Anti-Mosque Supporters for Kentucky in May 2010 (Image: Facebook)
On Mark Hallenberg’s Facebook page, he states that he is a member of the Northern Kentucky Tea Party. R.E.A.L. has contacted the Boone County representative of the Northern Kentucky Tea Party for comment, and received the following response: “The Northern Kentucky Tea Party is not involved in any way with a protest of a planned mosque in Florence, or anywhere. Our issues are those which impact free people of all faiths: Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Markets.””
Global Christian activists, however, continue to grow in numbers in rejecting the Dove World Outreach Center’s “Burn a Qur’an Day.” Christian activists from various parts of the world have spoken out to reject the plans by U.S. Christian Church Dove World Outreach Center to hold an “International Burn a Koran Day” on September 11.
In the United States, the National Association of Evangelicals denounces the church’s Quran burning event. In the NAE press release, the group stated “The National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) encourages increased understanding and reconciliation between those of different faiths and backgrounds, and it laments efforts that work against a just and peaceful society. The plans recently announced by a Florida group to burn copies of the Qu’ran on September 11 show disrespect for our Muslim neighbors and would exacerbate tensions between Christians and Muslims throughout the world. The NAE urges the cancellation of the burning.” NAE’s press release also stated “The NAE calls on its members to cultivate relationships of trust and respect with our neighbors of other faiths. God created human beings in his image, and therefore all should be treated with dignity and respect. The proposed burning of Qu’rans would be profoundly offensive to Muslims worldwide, just as Christians would be insulted by the burning of Bibles. Such an act would escalate tensions between members of the two faiths in the United States and around the world. ‘We have to recognize that fighting fire with fire only builds a bigger fire,’ said Joel Hunter, Senior Pastor of Northland, A Church Distributed, in Orlando, Fla., and member of the NAE Board of Directors. ‘Love is the water that will eventually quench the destruction.’ Anderson said, ‘The most powerful statement by the organizers of the planned September 11th bonfire would be to call it off in the name and love of Jesus Christ.'”
Indian Christians have also made statements rejecting Dove’s Qur’an burning plans. The Pakistan Christian Post reports on Indian Christian human rights activists sending a letter to the United States Ambassador on this subject, reporting that two Christian human rights activists J. G. Anthony and RL Francis said in a statement released in New Delhi, India that: “We strongly condemn the provocation of Pastors Terry and Sylvia Jones and urge the president of the United States of America Barrack Obama to take legal measures against such hate speech.” According to the Pakistan Christian Post, “the two Christian human rights activists also appealed to the US government to immediately intervene to halt the plan, which they said, could trigger religious conflict around the world. Such insult to any religious holy book in the name of Jesus is insult to the Christianity, such people cannot be called ‘true Christians’, and Muslim brothers must ignore such fanatic statement in the larger interest as this does not represent popular Christian feeling, Stated Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) president RL Francis.”
In Washington DC at a Pakistan Christian and interfaith conference on August 2, 2010, remembering the continuing attacks on Christian minorities in Pakistan, Christian leaders also objected to Dove’s Qur’an burning plan. Dr. Nazir Bhatti of the Pakistan Christian Congress stated his rejection of the Dove World Outreach Center’s call for burning of the Qur’an, stating, “I would like to express my views on a very recent news item that has appeared in U.S. papers that was from a church that in Florida who plans a ‘Burn a Qur’an Day’. I must express my clear concern on this issue of burning a Qu’ran Day – they have affixed 9/11 as the date when they will collect a lot of Qur’ans over there before they burn them.” Dr. Bhatti told a story of how hatred against Americans in the 1990s led to reprisals against Christian homes, and expressed similiar concerns that such hateful acts against Qur’ans in the United States could lead to reprisals against Christian churches in Pakistan by extremists. (See video,MP3).
Indonesian Christians and Indonesians of other faiths also have objected to the Dove World Outreach Qur’an Burning plans in public statements. The Union of Catholic Asian News has reported that “‘The campaign and provocation of Pastors Terry and Sylvia Jones deserves to be condemned,’ Indonesian religious leaders said in a statement read out by Reverend Henry Lokra of the Communion of Churches in Indonesia and Damien Dematra of the Pluralism Care Movement. The Catholic, Confucian, Hindu, Muslim and Protestant leaders, at their Aug. 4 press conference, described the American church’s proposal as an abuse of Islam, and a violation of religious freedom and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. ‘We condemn the Dove World Outreach Center’s plan and ask the church to immediately withdraw its statement and call off its ignoble plan, which puts other religions in contempt,’ they said. The leaders also called on the US government to immediately intervene to halt the plan which they said could trigger religious conflict around the world.”
In addition to these statements by Christian organizations condemned the Dove World Outreach Center’s plans, groups opposed to the Qur’an burning event have also appeared on Facebook as well.
One such Facebook group, “In Protest of “International Burn a Koran Day,” was apparently organized by a Christian for people of all faiths, who states that “This page does not stand for a certain religion or set of beliefs; we are against the disrespect and intolerance that these people have for the Muslim people. As a Christian myself, I am totally embarrassed to have this event affiliated with my beliefs.”
Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) joins with global Christian activists and people of diverse faiths in denouncing the planned campaign to burn Qur’ans by the Dove World Outreach Center. We urge the Dove World Outreach Center and those who would support their Qur’an burning plans to note that Jesus tells those who believe in him: John 13:34 “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
R.E.A.L. condemns calls for hatred against any identity group, any religion, and R.E.A.L. rejects calls by those who seek to deny anyone’s freedom of religion and freedom of worship.
We urge all those who hate to release the burden of hate from their hearts, and respect their fellow human beings and our universal human rights.
However, her article appears to provide a misleading view of the event based on foreign web pages that she has linked to her article without translations, which appear to be contradicted by a translation of the Indonesian web site that she uses as her basis. The translated Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia website condemns Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf for his support of the U.S. Constitution, calls him a “propagandist,” and condemns his “propagandist lie” that the U.S. Constitution supports “freedom, justice, equality and fraternity.”
In Madeline Brooks’ article “Terror Ties: Ground Zero Imam Attended Hizb-ut Tahrir Conference,” she states that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf “seems to have an irresistible attraction to extremists and terrorists, in spite of frequent declarations that he is a peacemaker and a ‘bridge builder.'” She then goes on to ask that “So what was he doing at a 2007 conference in Indonesia of an international terrorist group seeking a global caliphate?” (R.E.A.L. notes that Hizb ut-Tahrir is not listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.)
As her sole justification for this claim, Madeline Brooks provide a link to an Indonesia Hizb ut-Tahrir web site from December 2007, where photos of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf appear, apparently promoting his book “A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Da’wah From the Heart of America Post-9/11” in Indonesia.
Indonesia, December 2007 - Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf Defends U.S. Constitution, Apparently as Part of Book Promotion for "A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Da'wah From the Heart of America Post-9/11." (Photo: HTI Website)
The Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia (HTI) web page is in Indonesian. It would be responsible if one were to make Madeline Brooks’ claims to either have some knowledge of the Indonesian or Malay language, or at least attempt to make an automated translation of the page.
From the translated web page, we know that apparently there were some HTI members there and they asked Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf questions during the questions and answers period. What the rough English translation states is “when the question and answer session opened, some of his pen [sic], including the delegation of HTI Jabar, Lutfi Afandi convey several things to Imam Feisal and hundreds of attendees who crowded the discussion room.”
We can see by the Google translation of the HTI web page into English that Rauf defends the U.S. Constitution as allowing support for religious freedom and diversity, something that the Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia members apparently rejected. The HTI web page states that Rauf defends the U.S. Constitution as compatible with Islam pointing out what is “common between Islam and the U.S. Constitution, namely freedom, justice, equality and fraternity,” and stating it “guarantees huquq (rights) fundamental human rights, which according to Feisal, is in the U.S. constitution.”
We also can see by the Google translation of the HTI web page into English that the Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia members were obviously unhappy with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his message, at one point calling him a “publicist” for America,” “American agent,” and an American propagandist. The HTI web page article concludes “do we believe [the] American propaganda lie?”
Bandung, Indonesia Debate on Religious Freedom - Madeline Brooks Describes Imam Rauf and HTI Members in a "Feeling of Celebration"?? as HTI Members Call Rauf a "Propagandist" for America (Photo: HTI Website)
There is certainly not enough information to conclude, as Madeline Brooks has done, that this was a Hizb ut-Tahrir event.
However, for the sake of argument, let’s say that it was a Hizb ut-Tahrir conference. Who else has gone to documented Hizb ut-Tahrir conferences?
Having protested and been to a Chicago 2009 Hizb ut-Tahrir America (HTA) conference (documented in English, led by Hizb ut-Tahrir members and with Hizb ut-Tahrir signage), I can answer this from personal experience. Individuals who were inside the HTA conference in Chicago 2009 to observe and ask questions, included federal law enforcement individuals, representatives of counterterrorism groups like IPT, myself , and representatives of the Act for America group – that Madeline Brooks is a part of. Now it would be absurd to state that because I went into the HTA conference and asked them questions that I was a HTA supporter, just like it would be illogical to reach such conclusions about any of the other group attendees, including the Act for America group of which Madeline Brooks is a Manhattan chapter leader. If any of us happened to smile during all that time, it would also not have been a “feeling of celebration,” either.
July 19, 2009 - Chicago: R.E.A.L.'s Jeffrey Imm (wearing Chicago cap) Waiting to Question Hizb ut-Tahrir Leaders at Hizb ut-Tahrir America Conference
We are deeply concerned that articles like those written by Madeline Brooks are consciously purveying misinformation with the intent to seek to deny others their Constitutional rights and their Universal Human Rights. We object to this.
Furthermore, R.E.A.L. does not agree with Imam Rauf on all of his past stands or even his associations, as we have previously publicly stated. Our statement above is not a “defense” of Imam Rauf or his views, but clarifying the facts on what is clearly a misleading article. It is a free country, Imam Rauf, Madeline Brooks, you, or I have the right to say, think, and associate with who we want, without the denial of our Constitutional rights or our Universal Human Rights.
Those rights also include R.E.A.L.’s rights to challenge those who promote intolerance and hate, whether it is in New York City or anywhere else in the world. We have learned that intolerance does not limit itself to one identity group, but spreads like a cancer to attack any and every identity group that does not conform to others’ views. While Madeline Brooks seeks to suggest associations of individuals on web sites in foreign languages, we have seen troubling associations here in America on web sites in English on topics that she knows well.
There is a pattern of intolerance associating with intolerance, just not the one that Pajamas Media is reporting today.
R.E.A.L.’s concern with such intolerance is not to seek to limit the freedom of expression of those with diverse views that we may disagree with, although we too have the freedom of expression to challenge intolerance. But R.E.A.L.’s primary concern is about those who use such intolerance to deny freedoms to other Americans, other human beings, including those who seek to deny our universal human rights of freedom of religion, freedom of worship, and freedom of conscience.
In America and in the rest of the world, we have the right to freedom, to our Constitutional rights, and to our universal human rights. We have the freedom to agree and the freedom to disagree. Madeline Brooks, SIOA, CAN, Imam Rauf, and Hizb ut-Tahrir all have the same freedoms not just in America but around the world.
But to maintain this delicate balance of providing freedoms for diverse views and ideologies, we must ensure that we are CONSISTENT in being Responsible for Equality And Liberty for all.
What We Believe - Responsible for Equality And Liberty's Jeffrey Imm
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), “The AFA’s founder, the Rev. Don Wildmon, has made dozens of highly controversial statements, including the claim that ‘anti-Christian’ material on TV is a result of the media being largely controlled by Jews who work to undermine Christianity.”
CBS News reports that: “Fischer is the AFA’s director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy. The AFA is a conservative Christian group that been in the news before for taking a number of extreme positions — for instance, earlier this year Fischer called for Tilikum, the SeaWorld orca that thrashed its trainer to death, to be killed according to Biblical rules. In 2005, the AFA finally ended its boycott of Disney, which it kept of for nine years to protest the company’s erosion of moral values. The AFA operates nearly 200 radio stations across the country under the American Family Radio banner and sometimes features congressmen on its shows. Reps. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.), for instance, were recent guests of one show. Fischer is listed as an invited speaker at the Values Voter Summit next month, along with Rep. Michele Bachmann, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, among others.”
The Values Voter Summit is scheduled for Friday through Sunday on September 17 through the 19 at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, DC. In addition to the AFA, it is co-sponsored by the Family Research Council, American Values, the Heritage Foundation, Liberty University, and The O’Leary Report. Conservative commentators Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, Laura Inghram, Sarah Palin, as well as representatives from the Wall Street Journal and the Tea Party Express will be in attendance.
International Business Times also reports about the Values Voter Summit that “Three of the scheduled speakers are current elected U.S. lawmakers – Sen. Jim DeMint, R-SC, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-MN and Rep. Mike Pence, R-IN – each of whom has taken an oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution, which includes upholding the First Amendment protections to religion, the same protections Fischer would deny to Muslims. None of the three lawmakers responded to inquiries asking specifically if they knew Fischer was a scheduled speaker, if they knew of his views on mosques and Muslims, if they supported his views, or if they thought they were legitimizing his views by appearing at the same event with Fischer.”